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Malte's avatar

Has academia become less hospitable? Or have a lot of net-new attractive-to-Weird-Nerds jobs emerged on the market? The number of $200k+ TC SWE jobs has grown massively over the past decade, far outpacing the growth of academic STEM positions.

I believe that two other aspects are relevant:

- academia selects for personality types that may be negatively correlated with the Weird Nerd stereotype: a successful career in academia requires mentoring PhD students and teaching, which both may not be in the comfort zone of a lot of Weird Nerds.

- success ratio: academia is very much an up or out game. For those who don't exit early but fail to get tenure, the further career outlook is pretty bleak. Unless you collaborate really closely with industry during your academic career (like doing a couple of visiting researcher stints), switching tracks later might get really hard, so there's more than just an opportunity cost to it.

So maybe, for a lot of Weird Nerds, going into academia was merely the best shot they felt they had. But only a small fraction actually blossomed there, even before the rise of the Failed Corporatists.

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Hanfei Wang's avatar

Isn't the percentage of PhDs who go into academia nowadays lower in general because of fewer faculty openings than graduates? If that's true, then that's a huge confounding variable to consider, though perhaps that would be part of the "economic forces" aspect of it. And isn't it awfully similar, in basic substance, to an argument in the Unz Review (https://www.unz.com/article/are-women-destroying-academia-probably/) that having more women in academia is the culprit for this because on average women are more conscientious and more agreeable, which selects for, in his words, the "head girl" type (neurotypical "high-achiever"-coded) instead of the "brave truth-teller/lone eccentric genius" type (autistic nerd-coded)? It seems that all you did was to take the sexism out of it but say he was directionally correct. Do you think that he is? And if so, how would you suggest fixing it while also not reversing the progress that academia has made in terms of reducing the level of sexism that exists within it?

Another consideration here is that modern-day science is a very collaborative endeavor. I, like you, am in biomedical research (I just finished my PhD last year, in chem bio/med chem), so we both know how much being able to work with others matters in our world. Nobody can do biomedical research completely alone, and because of that, the ability to get along with colleagues, not create hostile/toxic working environments, being accommodating of those with different life situations/backgrounds, etc. are all extremely valuable in order to take advantage of all the talent in our world. Could it be that this, if true, is in some ways just academia selecting for what is more valuable in today's scientific environment, and thus isn't a bad thing at all? (I'm a "weird nerd" by your definition, albeit not nearly as successful of one, but I understand that just because something is against my interest doesn't mean it is against society's.)

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